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the coming of gary 1:21 Sat Mar 6
Arsene Wenger's new offside law

the hated offside law is about to change under proposals from Arsene Wenger .

It would mean a player is still onside if ANY part of his body that could score overlaps the defender.
it effectively means there has to be clear daylight between the players.

Trials will take place in the Chinese league, before being confirmed by FIFA.
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duffster 3:33 Tue Mar 9
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Won't this just result in strikers wearing bigger, baggier shirts, and defenders going skin tight spray on?

Pickle Rick 2:51 Tue Mar 9
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Next thing your know is they'll be proposing stopping the clock every time the ball is out of play, making a game over 3 hours long!

Mr Anon 2:50 Tue Mar 9
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Imagine if technology was introduced to the weird world of boxing judging, can't decide if that would be good or bad! The wildly different scoring between so called experts tells you relying on the human eye alone is flawed at the least.

Sniper 2:40 Tue Mar 9
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The issue with drawing lines is that you then have to define exactly where the lines are drawn, which then means you have to define body parts that count as offside

Pre VAR I can’t recall a single goal disallowed or disputed as offside because of the position if somebody’s armpit. Or even their foot. The discussion was always about the body, the torso. It was generally accepted as ‘just about level’ if you couldn’t tell

Instead of improving the game and fixing a problem from before (namely really bad blatant errors) VAR has created a problem that never existed before

Two examples from us in the past that VAR could have solved would be defoes equaliser at hone to Man U I think in our relegation year where he was clearly offside. Or there was a game at home where hartson was playing for the opposition (Coventry maybe?) and equalised when the keeper came off his line after a cross and the ball was nodded to hartson and he volleyed in. The ref and linesman had failed to notice a defender covering on the line so he wasn’t offside at all

Clear, blatant errors. If it takes VAR 5 minutes to decide and they are drawing lines comparing knee caps to shoulders, that’s not a clear mistake and not what offside is meant to be about

harold 4:16 Mon Mar 8
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Why can't VAR simply alert the ref to a possible offside. The ref then goes to the pitch side monitor and judges it by his eyes only. It gives him a second chance to view it. If he can't decide, then not offside

stewie griffin 3:18 Mon Mar 8
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oooh yes...i can just imagine that at the OS....5,4,3,2,1......yay

The ball is out of play around 40% of the time. Its really not the all-action product people would have you believe. You're adding 30-40 minutes to every game.

11MDE 3:15 Mon Mar 8
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Sounds like a good idea.

To stop the constant time wasting, the game should end on the last play after 90 minutes, with the clock being stopped everytime there is a break in the game. A countdown cock would make it much more exciting than the current farce of injury time.

Westside 9:58 Sun Mar 7
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When VAR wasn't used, you still got offsides which were given/not given. by millimetres. Some were right, some were wrong.

Same as with goal line technology. Pre that, you had decisions involving millimetres, which in all probability were educated guesses.


Although it seems to be micro refereeing the game, there is at least a consistency in the offside VAR decision making process. Even if you don't like the bit of the body, which can be ruled in an offside position.

If you had a VAR "challenge" system, I doubt teams would waste a review in most cases, on an offside decision, which is very tight. Worth a punt though, if you have a review left at the end of the match. Such as our home game with Villa this season, when they had a goal ruled offside by the tightest of margins. If that had been allowed and we had a review left, would have probably used it. Not necessarily so, had it happened in the first 5 minutes of a match.

Hermit Road 3:53 Sun Mar 7
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Exactly.

If VAR is going to be used for offsides then you are always going to get decisions drawn by lines which boil down to millimetres and the same frustration will apply.

Putting that line somewhere else won’t change that one bit. Drawing the lines is an inevitable part of using VAR to determine an offside which can only be really accurately determined by...drawing lines.

Fifth Column 12:57 Sun Mar 7
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I can't see how this will make any difference in terms of VAR. The marginal calls now will simply be measured from different points on the bodies. There will still be the same delay and line drawing which is in any case subjective because you can't tell the exact moment the ball leaves the foot of the teammate who's passing the ball.

BRANDED 12:50 Sun Mar 7
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The marginal call will still be marginal. This gives the attacker an extra few inches of pitch to get ahead. It also changes the psychological dynamics very slightly.

I would imagine that’s why they are trialing it to see what actual real world effect results.

Manuel 12:35 Sun Mar 7
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It's true that the marginal calls should be easier to clear up. It must surely be easier to spot clear daylight, or not, between players, as opposed to trying to separate arm pits, shoulders, players pointing, etc. Of course some will disagree.

Dagenhammer 12:18 Sun Mar 7
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This has got to be the best way out of the current mess. All that is needed is the linesman to keep up with the last defender and if he sees daylight between that defender and the attacker, up goes the flag. The only need for VAR would be for any marginal calls, but to be honest there should not be that many.

, 12:01 Sun Mar 7
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The other thing about the Wenger variation is that it talks about “any part of the body that can score”. Well I have seen goals go in, and br given, from everywhere on the body barring the arms. For that reason it would be better expressed as arms cannot be offside but every other part of the body can.

Furthermore is the overlap meant to include only the body parts of a defender that can legally defend or are the arms included?

Mace66 11:57 Sun Mar 7
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Go with the lino’s flag, they’re generally reliable. Might get the odd one wrong but that’s down to luck which we should accept that it’ll even out in time.

Fuck all the forensic shit off and that includes paying shit pundits 400 bags a year

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:56 Sun Mar 7
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Iron Duke

That would only work if the camera was absolutely level with the players - if not, the lines have to come out. Same as now really.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:55 Sun Mar 7
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angryp

Yes, we can discuss the width of the lines and who owns them (officials or attackers), I don't really care - there are good points to be made on both sides regarding supporting the officials or giving the advantage to the attacker. But the technical solution is obvious.

Iron Duke 11:50 Sun Mar 7
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I would have thought that in 99.9% of cases, you won’t need to draw lines because you can see that the bodies are overlapping.

, 11:46 Sun Mar 7
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As I read the Wenger variation the change is that it gives an attacker say half a yard on a defender, so maybe more chance of a goal attempt. However there will still be the same forensic, time taking VAR examining need to establish which parts of two players bodies enabled/prevented a goal from being given.

To speed the process up we should scrap the need to go to VAR such that if you are a big club you can always score being given benefit of any doubt and can not concede any doubtful goal.

angryprumphs 11:34 Sun Mar 7
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Not even sure why they have a person drawing the lines, surely technology these days could simply say one way or the other.

angryprumphs 11:33 Sun Mar 7
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:20 Sun Mar 7

100% this, not even sure what the issue is. Although i would say, thicker line = onside unless clear daylight. Give the advantage to the attacker.

Also, am I the only person who really likes the new offside flagging rule. The goal at the weekend was a perfect example of why it works. Not sure why everyone is so confused by it.

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